Comments on: Out, damned blog! http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/ Ron Coleman’s retired general topic blog Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:32:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ron Coleman http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6175 Ron Coleman Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:13:12 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6175 Bully for you! Bully for you!

]]> By: Tom DeGisi http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6136 Tom DeGisi Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:54:07 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6136 I stopped hiding behind 'Wince and Nod' because I thought it was important to take a stand. Yours, Tom <abbr><em>Tom DeGisi’s last blog post..<a href="http://winceandnod.blogspot.com/2009/05/how-to-develop-political-grassroots.html" rel="nofollow">How To Develop A Political Grassroots Movement</a></abbr></em> I stopped hiding behind ‘Wince and Nod’ because I thought it was important to take a stand.

Yours,
Tom

Tom DeGisi’s last blog post..How To Develop A Political Grassroots Movement

]]> By: Ron Coleman http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6105 Ron Coleman Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:03:32 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6105 I expect to be misconstrued from time to time but I virtually never expect to be misconstrued by Nieporent: <blockquote>I think that one is not obligated to risk one’s career in the name of “accountability” for one’s views on private subjects that are not relevant to one’s job (even though I myself have always signed my name to my opinions on the internet).</blockquote>I never said one was obligated to do so. I said that when one chooses not to do so, he does so at his own risk. And most importantly -- libertarian, listen up -- his choice to blog anonymously does not place an obligation on any other person to maintain, protect or even to decline to affirmatively seek his identity and, if it suits the other person, to reveal it. <strong>That doesn't mean that in this particular interpersonal imbroglio that Whelan could not have been a jerk.</strong> Of course he could have been, Drew, and perhaps now he has said that he was. But that's way different from suggesting that he violated some overarching rule requiring deference to anonymity by bloggers. Brian, your point eludes me. I expect to be misconstrued from time to time but I virtually never expect to be misconstrued by Nieporent:

I think that one is not obligated to risk one’s career in the name of “accountability” for one’s views on private subjects that are not relevant to one’s job (even though I myself have always signed my name to my opinions on the internet).

I never said one was obligated to do so. I said that when one chooses not to do so, he does so at his own risk. And most importantly — libertarian, listen up — his choice to blog anonymously does not place an obligation on any other person to maintain, protect or even to decline to affirmatively seek his identity and, if it suits the other person, to reveal it.
That doesn’t mean that in this particular interpersonal imbroglio that Whelan could not have been a jerk. Of course he could have been, Drew, and perhaps now he has said that he was. But that’s way different from suggesting that he violated some overarching rule requiring deference to anonymity by bloggers.

Brian, your point eludes me.

]]> By: Brian Gocial http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6103 Brian Gocial Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:08:54 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6103 Well now Whelan's apologized and admitted he was wrong. Isn't that nice? Well now Whelan’s apologized and admitted he was wrong. Isn’t that nice?

]]> By: Why I Blog Anonymously, And Why It's OK: Ed Whelan of NRO Outs Blogger Publius of Obsidian Wings | Popehat http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6095 Why I Blog Anonymously, And Why It's OK: Ed Whelan of NRO Outs Blogger Publius of Obsidian Wings | Popehat Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:40:30 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6095 [...] they are in my cache: Scott Greenfield, Jesse Taylor, John Amato, Eugene Volokh, Jonathan Adler, Ron Coleman, Will at League of Ordinary Gentlemen, Walter Olson, Michael [...] [...] they are in my cache: Scott Greenfield, Jesse Taylor, John Amato, Eugene Volokh, Jonathan Adler, Ron Coleman, Will at League of Ordinary Gentlemen, Walter Olson, Michael [...]

]]> By: David Nieporent http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6093 David Nieporent Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:16:00 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6093 Sorry, Ron, but I am forced to agree with the punster and thus disagree with you. I think that one is not obligated to risk one's career in the name of "accountability" for one's views on private subjects that are not relevant to one's job (even though I myself have always signed my name to my opinions on the internet). (That having been said, on what planet is a liberal blogger going to be negatively impacted in American academia by the fact of his liberal blogging?) Sorry, Ron, but I am forced to agree with the punster and thus disagree with you. I think that one is not obligated to risk one’s career in the name of “accountability” for one’s views on private subjects that are not relevant to one’s job (even though I myself have always signed my name to my opinions on the internet).

(That having been said, on what planet is a liberal blogger going to be negatively impacted in American academia by the fact of his liberal blogging?)

]]> By: Drew http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6092 Drew Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:42:00 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6092 In the end, Whelan was being a baby by doing this, and subsequently defending it. None of the more abstract arguments about overall accountability and so forth wipe this away. He let his emotions get the better of him in a heated debate, and instead of decimating his opponents arguments, he struck out at him in a way that's an unqualified act of childishness. It's embarrassing way to act, end stop. Especially since there are a lot of other reasons than personal protection to work pseudonymously: more often than not you're protecting employers, family members, and so forth. <abbr><em>Drew’s last blog post..<a href="http://thatshallowfellow.wordpress.com/2009/06/06/note-to-congress-seasons-climate-change/" rel="nofollow">Note to Congress: Seasons != Climate Change</a></abbr></em> In the end, Whelan was being a baby by doing this, and subsequently defending it. None of the more abstract arguments about overall accountability and so forth wipe this away.

He let his emotions get the better of him in a heated debate, and instead of decimating his opponents arguments, he struck out at him in a way that’s an unqualified act of childishness.

It’s embarrassing way to act, end stop.

Especially since there are a lot of other reasons than personal protection to work pseudonymously: more often than not you’re protecting employers, family members, and so forth.

Drew’s last blog post..Note to Congress: Seasons != Climate Change

]]> By: Punning Pundit http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6082 Punning Pundit Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:43:06 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6082 Jerseylaw: Let me fix that for you: "OK, Punning. That’s your call, you're right, and your risk." There we go! :) <abbr><em>Punning Pundit’s last blog post..<a href="http://www.indignantdesertbirds.com/?p=211" rel="nofollow">3 Quick hits:</a></abbr></em> Jerseylaw:
Let me fix that for you:
“OK, Punning. That’s your call, you’re right, and your risk.”

There we go! :)

Punning Pundit’s last blog post..3 Quick hits:

]]> By: jerseylaw http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6081 jerseylaw Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:40:11 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6081 OK, Punning. That's your call, your right, and your risk. OK, Punning. That’s your call, your right, and your risk.

]]> By: Punning Pundit http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2009/06/07/out-damned-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-6080 Punning Pundit Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:28:29 +0000 http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/?p=3046#comment-6080 There are a _lot_ of people who wouldn't hire me based on my political beliefs. There are many people with whom I chose not to talk politics with. Having a blog linked to my own name makes it more likely that my ideas will cause me pain-- even if I'm 100% sweetness and light while offering my ideas. Can my ideas stand up to scrutiny? Yes. Does it inhibit my ability to speak freely to think "my asshole uncle is going to read this", or even "the hiring committee is stacked with people who can't deal with different opinions." Accountability can come in may forms. One of those tests is "can I say it to my friends and family". Another is "can it stand scrutiny in the sphere of public opinion". The two forms need not be mutual... <abbr><em>Punning Pundit’s last blog post..<a href="http://www.indignantdesertbirds.com/?p=211" rel="nofollow">3 Quick hits:</a></abbr></em> There are a _lot_ of people who wouldn’t hire me based on my political beliefs. There are many people with whom I chose not to talk politics with.

Having a blog linked to my own name makes it more likely that my ideas will cause me pain– even if I’m 100% sweetness and light while offering my ideas.

Can my ideas stand up to scrutiny? Yes. Does it inhibit my ability to speak freely to think “my asshole uncle is going to read this”, or even “the hiring committee is stacked with people who can’t deal with different opinions.”

Accountability can come in may forms. One of those tests is “can I say it to my friends and family”. Another is “can it stand scrutiny in the sphere of public opinion”. The two forms need not be mutual…

Punning Pundit’s last blog post..3 Quick hits:

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