Comments on: “Anti-gay”: Rights, wrongs and everything in between http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/ Ron Coleman’s retired general topic blog Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:51:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Just don’t say you’re “sick” « Likelihood of Success http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4171 Just don’t say you’re “sick” « Likelihood of Success Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:13:01 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4171 [...] tolerance, understanding, communicating, and open channels utterly don’t get it. [...] tolerance, understanding, communicating, and open channels utterly don’t get it.

]]> By: Ron Coleman http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4193 Ron Coleman Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:38:08 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4193 I didn't say anything about the world crumbling down or that same-sex marriages would lead to remarkable results. Maybe we're completely speaking past each other. I'm saying that initiating a policy that has never existed in human history -- giving state sanction to activity that was actually prosecutable in most jurisdictions in the world only a century ago, and remains so in many if not most to this day and calling it by a word, "marriage," that until about ten years ago had a literal meaning that simply could not contain such a relationship -- is a radical departure. That is objectively a radical change from preexisting moral, legal and political norms. The fact that you argue "It doesn't really have much of an affect on the world; life goes on" may be a reason to support that change, but it does not make it not a change. That's all I'm saying. And you and I have discussed enough in years past that I'd rather have you understand the meaning of my words than agree with me, or with them, Jason. I didn’t say anything about the world crumbling down or that same-sex marriages would lead to remarkable results. Maybe we’re completely speaking past each other. I’m saying that initiating a policy that has never existed in human history — giving state sanction to activity that was actually prosecutable in most jurisdictions in the world only a century ago, and remains so in many if not most to this day and calling it by a word, “marriage,” that until about ten years ago had a literal meaning that simply could not contain such a relationship — is a radical departure. That is objectively a radical change from preexisting moral, legal and political norms. The fact that you argue “It doesn’t really have much of an affect on the world; life goes on” may be a reason to support that change, but it does not make it not a change.

That’s all I’m saying. And you and I have discussed enough in years past that I’d rather have you understand the meaning of my words than agree with me, or with them, Jason.

]]> By: Jason http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4192 Jason Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:31:25 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4192 Your Comment: Jason, if you can Your Comment: Jason, if you can

]]> By: James H http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4191 James H Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:01:59 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4191 Laws prohibit any number of businesses from discriminating on certain grounds. Sexual orientation is occasionally one of them. That said, I have all kinds of problems with the eHarmony litigation and settlement. Laws prohibit any number of businesses from discriminating on certain grounds. Sexual orientation is occasionally one of them. That said, I have all kinds of problems with the eHarmony litigation and settlement.

]]> By: EW http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4188 EW Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:13:39 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4188 I think a lot of the members of the leftist illuminati enjoy disliking people who are different from them. This is best done by sterotyping the most extreme example and painting all that way. That's how you convince yourself that people are evil I think a lot of the members of the leftist illuminati enjoy disliking people who are different from them. This is best done by sterotyping the most extreme example and painting all that way. That’s how you convince yourself that people are evil

]]> By: Josh http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4187 Josh Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:30:12 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4187 Upon a reread I think I was misunderstanding the post I was responding to. I thought that he was saying that churches may be forced to perform gay marriages such as eHarmony was and I was trying to point out the difference between the two things. Looking again, it seems like he had jumped on to something else. My final point being that forcing a church to do something and forcing a business to do something are two different levels of government intervention. Upon a reread I think I was misunderstanding the post I was responding to. I thought that he was saying that churches may be forced to perform gay marriages such as eHarmony was and I was trying to point out the difference between the two things. Looking again, it seems like he had jumped on to something else. My final point being that forcing a church to do something and forcing a business to do something are two different levels of government intervention.

]]> By: zach http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4186 zach Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:14:39 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4186 Josh, I'm generally on your side here, but re: eHarmony, so what that it's a business? If they want to pass up profit, that's their beef; and it's then your right to exploit their shortsightedness and eat their market share as a result. One has the right to boycott a business, even express outrage in as vociferous terms as one cares to. But at the end of the day why should they be obligated to provide a service they don't want to (and indeed may not be able to) provide? Josh,

I’m generally on your side here, but re: eHarmony, so what that it’s a business? If they want to pass up profit, that’s their beef; and it’s then your right to exploit their shortsightedness and eat their market share as a result. One has the right to boycott a business, even express outrage in as vociferous terms as one cares to. But at the end of the day why should they be obligated to provide a service they don’t want to (and indeed may not be able to) provide?

]]> By: Josh http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4185 Josh Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:59:53 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4185 Except that eHarmony is a business and not a church. Except that eHarmony is a business and not a church.

]]> By: Josh http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4184 Josh Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:57:52 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4184 Are people being treated exactly the same? You can marry a woman and so can a gay man, true. However, you might want and even prefer to marry the woman. However, we are denying the ability of gay people to marry those whom they want and prefer to marry. I don't see how that is being treated equally. I don't see how giving gay people the right to marry is a major cultural shift all on its own. This has been a process, and a long one, of there being incremental acceptance of homosexuals. Sadly, I feel that on this issue there is just too much divide to see each the other side's point of view. Are people being treated exactly the same? You can marry a woman and so can a gay man, true. However, you might want and even prefer to marry the woman. However, we are denying the ability of gay people to marry those whom they want and prefer to marry. I don’t see how that is being treated equally.

I don’t see how giving gay people the right to marry is a major cultural shift all on its own. This has been a process, and a long one, of there being incremental acceptance of homosexuals.

Sadly, I feel that on this issue there is just too much divide to see each the other side’s point of view.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2008/11/23/anti-gay-rights-wrongs-and-everything-in-between/comment-page-1/#comment-4183 Anonymous Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:57:28 +0000 http://jerseylaw.wordpress.com/?p=1957#comment-4183 Are people being treated exactly the same? You can marry a woman and so can a gay man, true. However, you might want and even prefer to marry the woman. However, we are denying the ability of gay people to marry those whom they want and prefer to marry. I don't see how that is being treated equally. I don't see how giving gay people the right to marry is a major cultural shift all on its own. This has been a process, and a long one, of there being incremental acceptance of homosexuals. Sadly, I feel that on this issue there is just too much divide to see each the other side's point of view. Are people being treated exactly the same? You can marry a woman and so can a gay man, true. However, you might want and even prefer to marry the woman. However, we are denying the ability of gay people to marry those whom they want and prefer to marry. I don’t see how that is being treated equally.

I don’t see how giving gay people the right to marry is a major cultural shift all on its own. This has been a process, and a long one, of there being incremental acceptance of homosexuals.

Sadly, I feel that on this issue there is just too much divide to see each the other side’s point of view.

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