Comments on: The disposable Jews

By: Coals to Newcastle — Baiting Israelis, Jews in LA « Likelihood of Success

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:14:55 +0000

[...] Jew makes a living condemning things like this and “demanding” apologies, etc., but very few unaffiliated liberal Jews will bat an eyelash. Notwithstanding the conspiracy theories, they don’t “vote Jewish” all that [...]

By: soccer dad

soccer dad — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:49:17 +0000

You seem to be channeling AM Rosenthal.

By: Ron Coleman

Ron Coleman — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:08:25 +0000

Maybe, but DK’s link is worth reading, Giuliani issue aside.

By: Ara Rubyan

Ara Rubyan — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:50:18 +0000

Shorter Ron Coleman: “Giuliani was King of the Jews.“

By: Ron Coleman

Ron Coleman — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:09:51 +0000

Mary, there is quite a bit of that among hasidim in New York. But as you recognize, it is always a symptom of something else not working.

By: DK

DK — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:06:56 +0000

Maybe you are right to some extent — apparently, Dinkins had a “comfortable win” on the Upper West Side in 1993: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/1997/11/02/1997-11-02_rudy_taking_nabes_in_a_lands.html

By: mary

mary — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:05:14 +0000

I don’t know who voted for who, but I’d guess that history (especially New York history) proves that the best way to deal with a series of attacks like this is to start a neighborhood crime watch.

Citizen’s watch groups, like the Guardian Angels, are effective for two reasons

1. They give the community sense of unity and empowerment

2. they are seen as a sign that the government and the police aren’t doing enough.

If these groups are given (well, seek) enough publicity, they often shame the police/govt. into taking more effective action to solve the problem.

By: DK

DK — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:55:53 +0000

It was less than forty percent according to the Times article I cited. I agree that was scandalous. But it is not statistically “overwhelming.”

By: Ron Coleman

Ron Coleman — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:48:38 +0000

Who said anything about frum? In 1989 Dinkins won half of the Jewish vote, and in 1993 many Jews put liberal values above group solidarity, which is a principled thing to do -- but which may not have been here. I can't find any figures on the '93 election, but even if only 20% of Jews voted for Dinkins over Giuliani after Crown Heights -- which I am positive is low -- that itself is scandalous.

By: DK

DK — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:14:45 +0000

“for the same Upper West Side Jews who do not care now are the ones who overwhelmingly voted to keep Dinkins in office after Crown Heights”

What is this based on? I believe they also voted for Giuliani. The Jewish vote in the first election was for Giuliani, and NYC was less than 15% frum at that point.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE4DF153EF930A35752C1A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

Jewish liberals voted “overwhelmingly” for Dinkins? I think not.