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		<title>By: Leveraging terror &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
		<link>http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/07/23/ever-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1499</link>
		<dc:creator>Leveraging terror &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by Ron Coleman on November 29, 2008  I made a point in a previous post that appears to have gotten obscured, and while I reiterated it in the comments earlier this evening, I subsequently saw another item (again via Instapundit) that seemed, in perhaps a somewhat roundabout way &#8212; to confirm it. Here&#8217;s what I said: The terrorists “leveraged” Western victims in Mumbai. I use that term because 100 300 dead Westerners will have more impact in the West than probably many more hundreds of dead Indians. That is not how it ought to be, but look at what goes on in Africa, to the shock and horror of just about no one in America. Usually our thoughts are, if we notice such stories at all, “Well, those people are always killing each other over there.” It may be a less than ideal reaction, morally speaking, but I believe I am accurately describing the human condition, as I wrote last year when considering the “never again” myth. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted by Ron Coleman on November 29, 2008  I made a point in a previous post that appears to have gotten obscured, and while I reiterated it in the comments earlier this evening, I subsequently saw another item (again via Instapundit) that seemed, in perhaps a somewhat roundabout way &#8212; to confirm it. Here&#8217;s what I said: The terrorists “leveraged” Western victims in Mumbai. I use that term because 100 300 dead Westerners will have more impact in the West than probably many more hundreds of dead Indians. That is not how it ought to be, but look at what goes on in Africa, to the shock and horror of just about no one in America. Usually our thoughts are, if we notice such stories at all, “Well, those people are always killing each other over there.” It may be a less than ideal reaction, morally speaking, but I believe I am accurately describing the human condition, as I wrote last year when considering the “never again” myth. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Likelihood of Success, Year Two. &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
		<link>http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/07/23/ever-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1498</link>
		<dc:creator>Likelihood of Success, Year Two. &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Best Day Ever: 7,794 — Tuesday, July 24, 2007 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Ever again&#8221; &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
		<link>http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/07/23/ever-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Ever again&#8221; &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Ron Coleman on December 27, 2007  This &#8220;best of&#8221; item from July was the number-one all-time most popular posting on Likelihood of Success since I started it in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by Ron Coleman on December 27, 2007  This &#8220;best of&#8221; item from July was the number-one all-time most popular posting on Likelihood of Success since I started it in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stopping the bulldozer &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
		<link>http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/07/23/ever-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1497</link>
		<dc:creator>Stopping the bulldozer &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Top Posts Kennedy &#039;Eating Ice Cream&#039; After Surgery On ArteryThe whole world is a narrow bridgeStopping the bulldozerHolocaust Denial - It’s the New BlackHot Air keeps gunning for RudyChurchill was right about the JewsI just wanted to buy a bookOh, Mickey, you&#039;re so fineObama quits raceEver again [...]</description>
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		<title>By: They knew &#171; Likelihood of Success</title>
		<link>http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/07/23/ever-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1496</link>
		<dc:creator>They knew &#171; Likelihood of Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more chilling, of course, is the point I made before &#8212; even if we&#8217;d known, too &#8212; known that well &#8212; it wouldn&#8217;t have made a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more chilling, of course, is the point I made before &#8212; even if we&#8217;d known, too &#8212; known that well &#8212; it wouldn&#8217;t have made a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Stiletto</title>
		<link>http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/07/23/ever-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>The Stiletto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For links to supporting/relevant background info see:
http://thestilettoblog.com/2007/07/27/goody-two-shoes-genocide-denial-shocks-genocide-denier.aspx

GENOCIDE DENIAL SHOCKS GENOCIDE DENIER

In a commentary (&quot;It Didn’t Happen&quot;) and this video (&quot;Iraq’s Vulnerabilities Overlooked&quot;) OpinionJournal’s James Taranto decries Barack Obama’s comments on the possibility of genocide in Iraq and John Kerry’s contention on C-SPAN’s &quot;Washington Journal&quot; that genocide did not engulf the region after the U.S. left Vietnam:

&quot;Senator Obama gave an interview last week to The Associated Press, and made a comment, that in my view really ought to shock the conscience. He said that preventing genocide is not a good enough reason to leave American troops in Iraq. … [I]t’s OK to allow the genocide of Arabs and Muslims … I think that’s absolutely shocking. … The Democrats seem to have become the party … of denial or countenancing of the worst crimes against humanity.&quot;

Taranto is himself a genocide denier as regards the near-annihilation of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey during 1915-1917 and privately admits, &quot;this is a topic about which I have only a glancing interest.&quot;

The Stiletto is shocked that Taranto cannot understand that as an Armenian Genocide denier he lacks the moral authority to condemn someone else for having only a glancing interest in what happens to the Iraqis after the U.S. pulls out. But then, Taranto has repeatedly proven himself to be morally blind and hypocritical. Since he doesn’t appear to have a conscience, The Stiletto is cynical about Taranto being &quot;shocked&quot; by Obama. And don’t even get her started on The Wall Street Journal’s shocking record on anti-Armenian bias and Armenian Genocide denial.


Addendum: TARANTO SQUELCHES BLOGGER&#039;S FREE SPEECH RIGHTS

For several hours on Friday morning, the above item was cross-posted on PoliticalMavens. James Taranto took exception at being called out as an Armenian Genocide denier:

The only thing I have written on the subject is that I &quot;have no opinion on whether the events of 1915 constitute genocide or not,&quot; which is neither an affirmation nor a denial.&quot;

Taranto pressured the site’s editor – who recently suffered a grievous personal loss and is still in a fragile emotional state - to remove the post, thus squelching The Stiletto’s free speech rights.

But then, Taranto has never called upon Turkey to repeal Article 301, which criminalizes affirmation of the Armenian Genocide, but he roundly condemned a similar law France was considering last year to criminalize speech denying the Armenian Genocide (the same column from which he quotes above).

If no one can write or talk about the Armenian Genocide, then it didn’t happen, right, Taranto?

Well Taranto has no leverage with The Stiletto, so she reiterates that he is guilty of everything he wants to hang on Obama in his commentary.

Taranto accuses Obama of &quot;engaging in sophistry,&quot; adding:

By his logic, if America lacks the capacity to intervene everywhere there is ethnic killing, it has no obligation to intervene anywhere - and perhaps an obligation to intervene nowhere. His reasoning elevates consistency into the cardinal virtue, making the perfect the enemy of the good.

In claiming that he neither affirmed nor denied the Armenian Genocide when he wrote that he had &quot;no opinion on whether the events of 1915 constitute genocide or not,&quot; Taranto is engaging in sophistry. His reasoning elevates willful ignorance into the cardinal virtue, making the noncommittal the enemy of the truthful.

To have &quot;no opinion,&quot; Taranto must be, and remain, willfully ignorant of the facts – and of the voluminous eyewitness accounts by journalists, missionaries, diplomats and survivors, and of the numerous books based on these records. Remarkable that someone in his profession would be so incurious.

Like the five stages of grief, there are also stages of genocide denial:

While the arguments made by a genocide denier vary depending on which genocide is being denied, most arguments have a common basis. The accusations of a Genocide denier usually include conspiracies, stating that the targeted ethnic group conspired against the accused state with its enemies, that death tolls have been exaggerated in order to create undeserved sympathy, that the victims provoked the actions against themselves, through either armed insurrection or exploitation of the majority, and that the evidence supporting a genocide thesis was largely fabricated.

Thus the second part of Taranto’s denier-denial &quot;whether the events of 1915 constitute genocide or not&quot; is in fact a denial, as it subtly invokes all of the tactics used by Genocide and Holocaust deniers in one shot. Though morally challenged and hypocritical, no one can accuse Taranto of not being clever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For links to supporting/relevant background info see:<br />
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<p>GENOCIDE DENIAL SHOCKS GENOCIDE DENIER</p>
<p>In a commentary (&#8220;It Didn’t Happen&#8221;) and this video (&#8220;Iraq’s Vulnerabilities Overlooked&#8221;) OpinionJournal’s James Taranto decries Barack Obama’s comments on the possibility of genocide in Iraq and John Kerry’s contention on C-SPAN’s &#8220;Washington Journal&#8221; that genocide did not engulf the region after the U.S. left Vietnam:</p>
<p>&#8220;Senator Obama gave an interview last week to The Associated Press, and made a comment, that in my view really ought to shock the conscience. He said that preventing genocide is not a good enough reason to leave American troops in Iraq. … [I]t’s OK to allow the genocide of Arabs and Muslims … I think that’s absolutely shocking. … The Democrats seem to have become the party … of denial or countenancing of the worst crimes against humanity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Taranto is himself a genocide denier as regards the near-annihilation of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey during 1915-1917 and privately admits, &#8220;this is a topic about which I have only a glancing interest.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Stiletto is shocked that Taranto cannot understand that as an Armenian Genocide denier he lacks the moral authority to condemn someone else for having only a glancing interest in what happens to the Iraqis after the U.S. pulls out. But then, Taranto has repeatedly proven himself to be morally blind and hypocritical. Since he doesn’t appear to have a conscience, The Stiletto is cynical about Taranto being &#8220;shocked&#8221; by Obama. And don’t even get her started on The Wall Street Journal’s shocking record on anti-Armenian bias and Armenian Genocide denial.</p>
<p>Addendum: TARANTO SQUELCHES BLOGGER&#8217;S FREE SPEECH RIGHTS</p>
<p>For several hours on Friday morning, the above item was cross-posted on PoliticalMavens. James Taranto took exception at being called out as an Armenian Genocide denier:</p>
<p>The only thing I have written on the subject is that I &#8220;have no opinion on whether the events of 1915 constitute genocide or not,&#8221; which is neither an affirmation nor a denial.&#8221;</p>
<p>Taranto pressured the site’s editor – who recently suffered a grievous personal loss and is still in a fragile emotional state &#8211; to remove the post, thus squelching The Stiletto’s free speech rights.</p>
<p>But then, Taranto has never called upon Turkey to repeal Article 301, which criminalizes affirmation of the Armenian Genocide, but he roundly condemned a similar law France was considering last year to criminalize speech denying the Armenian Genocide (the same column from which he quotes above).</p>
<p>If no one can write or talk about the Armenian Genocide, then it didn’t happen, right, Taranto?</p>
<p>Well Taranto has no leverage with The Stiletto, so she reiterates that he is guilty of everything he wants to hang on Obama in his commentary.</p>
<p>Taranto accuses Obama of &#8220;engaging in sophistry,&#8221; adding:</p>
<p>By his logic, if America lacks the capacity to intervene everywhere there is ethnic killing, it has no obligation to intervene anywhere &#8211; and perhaps an obligation to intervene nowhere. His reasoning elevates consistency into the cardinal virtue, making the perfect the enemy of the good.</p>
<p>In claiming that he neither affirmed nor denied the Armenian Genocide when he wrote that he had &#8220;no opinion on whether the events of 1915 constitute genocide or not,&#8221; Taranto is engaging in sophistry. His reasoning elevates willful ignorance into the cardinal virtue, making the noncommittal the enemy of the truthful.</p>
<p>To have &#8220;no opinion,&#8221; Taranto must be, and remain, willfully ignorant of the facts – and of the voluminous eyewitness accounts by journalists, missionaries, diplomats and survivors, and of the numerous books based on these records. Remarkable that someone in his profession would be so incurious.</p>
<p>Like the five stages of grief, there are also stages of genocide denial:</p>
<p>While the arguments made by a genocide denier vary depending on which genocide is being denied, most arguments have a common basis. The accusations of a Genocide denier usually include conspiracies, stating that the targeted ethnic group conspired against the accused state with its enemies, that death tolls have been exaggerated in order to create undeserved sympathy, that the victims provoked the actions against themselves, through either armed insurrection or exploitation of the majority, and that the evidence supporting a genocide thesis was largely fabricated.</p>
<p>Thus the second part of Taranto’s denier-denial &#8220;whether the events of 1915 constitute genocide or not&#8221; is in fact a denial, as it subtly invokes all of the tactics used by Genocide and Holocaust deniers in one shot. Though morally challenged and hypocritical, no one can accuse Taranto of not being clever.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean's World</title>
		<link>http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/07/23/ever-again/comment-page-2/#comment-4431</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fill it up!&lt;/strong&gt;



Yes, it has been a tad quiet here, so much so that I feel obligated to actually write some filler so the page will move down a little, relying on my famous wit and my excellent typing skills.  Plus, ...</description>
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<p>Yes, it has been a tad quiet here, so much so that I feel obligated to actually write some filler so the page will move down a little, relying on my famous wit and my excellent typing skills.  Plus, &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean's World</title>
		<link>http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/07/23/ever-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean's World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fill it up!&lt;/strong&gt;



Yes, it has been a tad quiet here, so much so that I feel obligated to actually write some filler so the page will move down a little, relying on my famous wit and my excellent typing skills.  Plus, ...</description>
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<p>Yes, it has been a tad quiet here, so much so that I feel obligated to actually write some filler so the page will move down a little, relying on my famous wit and my excellent typing skills.  Plus, &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kess</title>
		<link>http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/07/23/ever-again/comment-page-2/#comment-1481</link>
		<dc:creator>kess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faith in the UN? Get real!

When has europe much less the UN stood firm and fought anything together in a solidly effective way?

Europe stand together?! You have got to be joking the only time they have ever worked together is when they are allied and slaughtering each other before WW1 with Kings and Queens.

They cant work together any more than Columbia can form a republic or Africans stop killing each other. Its too much of a habit by now.</description>
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<p>When has europe much less the UN stood firm and fought anything together in a solidly effective way?</p>
<p>Europe stand together?! You have got to be joking the only time they have ever worked together is when they are allied and slaughtering each other before WW1 with Kings and Queens.</p>
<p>They cant work together any more than Columbia can form a republic or Africans stop killing each other. Its too much of a habit by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Top Posts &#171; WordPress.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top Posts &#171; WordPress.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ever again James Taranto (and others) got exercised last week over the fact that Barack Obama won&#8217;t get exercised over [&#8230;] [...]</description>
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