Comments on: Social catastrophe http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/ Ron Coleman’s retired general topic blog Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:32:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Top Posts « WordPress.com http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-832 Top Posts « WordPress.com Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:58:12 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-832 [...] Social catastrophe ABC News — scooped by its rival NBC, which itself is playing the ultimate media whore by celebrating a mass […] [...] [...] Social catastrophe ABC News — scooped by its rival NBC, which itself is playing the ultimate media whore by celebrating a mass […] [...]

]]> By: Radioactive Liberty http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-857 Radioactive Liberty Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:38:23 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-857 <strong>Introspective on an Atrocity</strong> Diesel, usually known for being one of the funniest people alive, gets serious about the Virginia Tech Massacre. Not only is it a great post, but while so many ghouls have rushed to gorge on the corpes of the victims to turn this grotesque mass murder ... Introspective on an Atrocity

Diesel, usually known for being one of the funniest people alive, gets serious about the Virginia Tech Massacre. Not only is it a great post, but while so many ghouls have rushed to gorge on the corpes of the victims to turn this grotesque mass murder …

]]> By: A Second Hand Conjecture » News Brief, Karma Police Edition http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-856 A Second Hand Conjecture » News Brief, Karma Police Edition Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:52:19 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-856 [...] is NBC complicit in future murders for broadcasting that video? Only if you think that self-righteous blogger Ron Coleman is complicit [...] [...] is NBC complicit in future murders for broadcasting that video? Only if you think that self-righteous blogger Ron Coleman is complicit [...]

]]> By: The Conjecturer » News Brief, Nappy Headed Ho’s Edition http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-855 The Conjecturer » News Brief, Nappy Headed Ho’s Edition Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:38:38 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-855 [...] is NBC complicit in future murders for broadcasting that video? Only if you think that self-righteous blogger Ron Coleman is complicit [...] [...] is NBC complicit in future murders for broadcasting that video? Only if you think that self-righteous blogger Ron Coleman is complicit [...]

]]> By: WetWorx » Blog Archive » If it bleeds it leads, if it is 32 dead students it is a FREAKING GOLDMINE! http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-854 WetWorx » Blog Archive » If it bleeds it leads, if it is 32 dead students it is a FREAKING GOLDMINE! Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:47:42 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-854 [...] GOLDMINE! Posted on April 19th, 2007 in Hypocrisy by Bill (No Ratings Yet)  Loading ... “SOCIAL CATASTROPHE:” “The blood of the victims of the ‘next one’ is on the hands of everyone in the [...] [...] GOLDMINE! Posted on April 19th, 2007 in Hypocrisy by Bill (No Ratings Yet)  Loading … “SOCIAL CATASTROPHE:” “The blood of the victims of the ‘next one’ is on the hands of everyone in the [...]

]]> By: Ron Coleman http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-861 Ron Coleman Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:18:54 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-861 I know that, Dean. I am taking a calculated risk, and gambling on a little good will and also on factors in the analysis of fair use that consider the extent to which the unauthorized use degrades the commercial value of the infringed property. I also believe there may be a fair use defense for other reasons, but in any event the link may ameliorate my exposure. <blockquote>My personal belief is this - I don’t want you, or anyone else, restricting the press from what they can and must show.</blockquote>Me neither. I have certainly never suggested that I or anyone else should restrict the press in this way, though perhaps <a href="http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-1578" rel="nofollow">one sympathetic commenter</a> here is alluding to that possibility. I think this is the issue of "press responsibility" -- a concept the media are very big on when insisting on unique privileges but which gets very <a href="http://www.brendanloy.com/wp/2007/04/should-nbc-have-aired-vt-shooters-video.html#comment-433916" rel="nofollow">fuzzy </a>when the money is on the line. I know that, Dean. I am taking a calculated risk, and gambling on a little good will and also on factors in the analysis of fair use that consider the extent to which the unauthorized use degrades the commercial value of the infringed property. I also believe there may be a fair use defense for other reasons, but in any event the link may ameliorate my exposure.

My personal belief is this – I don’t want you, or anyone else, restricting the press from what they can and must show.

Me neither. I have certainly never suggested that I or anyone else should restrict the press in this way, though perhaps one sympathetic commenter here is alluding to that possibility.

I think this is the issue of “press responsibility” — a concept the media are very big on when insisting on unique privileges but which gets very fuzzy when the money is on the line.

]]> By: Dean http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-860 Dean Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:10:24 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-860 hhhhm. According to the Sky News Terms and Conditions you have already violated their website agreement. "2.3 You will not copy, download, reproduce, republish, frame, broadcast, transmit in any manner whatsoever, any material on the Sky Site except as is strictly necessary for Your own personal non-commercial home use." I doubt an internet blog qualifies as home use. So, linking to the site is not necessary to meet any criteria required by the website. A simple reference such as "image courtesy of sky news website" would have worked. Aside from all of my ramblings... "the video can be found by anyone who can work Google" sound like an excuse for reposting it. My personal belief is this - I don't want you, or anyone else, restricting the press from what they can and must show. If someone is disturbed enough to kill for no reason, they will do so whether or not they see a video like this. hhhhm. According to the Sky News Terms and Conditions you have already violated their website agreement.

“2.3 You will not copy, download, reproduce, republish, frame, broadcast, transmit in any manner whatsoever, any material on the Sky Site except as is strictly necessary for Your own personal non-commercial home use.”

I doubt an internet blog qualifies as home use. So, linking to the site is not necessary to meet any criteria required by the website. A simple reference such as “image courtesy of sky news website” would have worked.

Aside from all of my ramblings… “the video can be found by anyone who can work Google” sound like an excuse for reposting it.

My personal belief is this – I don’t want you, or anyone else, restricting the press from what they can and must show.

If someone is disturbed enough to kill for no reason, they will do so whether or not they see a video like this.

]]> By: Ron Coleman http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-859 Ron Coleman Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:54:55 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-859 I don't think the merits of my argument dissolve all that easily, Dean. I linked to the source of my picture because it is a copyrighted picture and if I were to make a fair use argument to an allegation of infringement against me, I'd like to have it going to me that I was linking to the source. More to your point, the video can be found by anyone who can work Google. As I said before, I cannot put the cat back in the bag, nor do hits from this humble website amount, in my view, to a hill of beans in terms of the cultural effect being written about here. I don’t think the merits of my argument dissolve all that easily, Dean. I linked to the source of my picture because it is a copyrighted picture and if I were to make a fair use argument to an allegation of infringement against me, I’d like to have it going to me that I was linking to the source.

More to your point, the video can be found by anyone who can work Google. As I said before, I cannot put the cat back in the bag, nor do hits from this humble website amount, in my view, to a hill of beans in terms of the cultural effect being written about here.

]]> By: Dean http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-858 Dean Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:51:06 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-858 Maybe I am the only one that has noticed, but the picture that you posted at the top of the page is linked to the Sky News website with the actual video. So, you certainly promoting the use of the video, not just using a picture. If you really felt the way you claim, you would have just posted a JPG without a link to the video. Remove the link and your arguement has merit. Maybe I am the only one that has noticed, but the picture that you posted at the top of the page is linked to the Sky News website with the actual video. So, you certainly promoting the use of the video, not just using a picture.

If you really felt the way you claim, you would have just posted a JPG without a link to the video. Remove the link and your arguement has merit.

]]> By: Bob Miller http://www.likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-836 Bob Miller Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:35:39 +0000 http://likelihoodofsuccess.com/2007/04/19/social-catastrophe/#comment-836 The only way to rein in a network's stupidity or worse is still for large numbers to stop watching. The only way to rein in a network’s stupidity or worse is still for large numbers to stop watching.

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