Talking heads on talking heads
Apr 5, 2007 Americana, Medialites
It’s disgraceful for a man seeking highest office, I think, to talk utter rubbish. And that is utter rubbish. It’s electoral propaganda. It is simply not true. No one in his right mind who has been to Baghdad believes that story.
That’s Allen Pizzey, CBS correspondent, talking about John McCain. He may be right. But why do we care what Allen Pizzey thinks? There are three possible reasons. You may have already thought about two of them. The one I am going to raise is probably so taken for granted that perhaps we have missed it.
Now, I am not going to make the point Glenn Reynolds made during the brief John Ware flair-up earlier this week — a point which, despite the subsequent correction of the record indicating that Ware did not heckle McCain at a press conference, is still a valid one for discussion:
“Heckling at a press conference is very rude, and wouldn’t be acceptable even from an opinion journalist (I wouldn’t dream of laughing in Nancy Pelosi’s face during a press conference). That said, isn’t it better when guys like Ware let their biases hang out, rather than embedding them in reports that are ostensibly objective?”Wouldn’t it be better still if they just did an honest job of doing, you know, their jobs?
Perhaps, though I grant that there is something to be said for letting it hang out, as Fox does, rather than pretending that CNN is not Fox’s mirror image. No, that is not my observation here. Neither is this, which I have already observed, but let’s quote Neo:
John McCain was once a media darling. The last time he ran for President, long ago and far away in 2000, the press couldn’t restrain itself from slobbering over him. . . .
So, what’s happened to the budding romance? To be blunt, McCain–once so bright-eyed and cuddly–is past his pull date.
Seven subsequent years of sloshing around in DC have meant that, if elected, he’d be the oldest President to ever win. And the years have not aged him like a fine wine (kicking around in Congress rarely does). Some of his pet projects–such as the McCain-Feingold bill–have turned out rather disastrously. And now, to top it all off, he’s saddled by being perceived as a sort of Bush Lite on the war in Iraq. It must be galling to him, since there didn’t used to be that much love lost between McCain and Bush.
So as much as there is to learn from John McCain’s media woes this week, I don’t mean to pile on and suggest (a) it’s terrible that journalists aren’t objective and (b) it’s really terrible when that lack of objectivity is its own mirror-image of the love once lavished on a favorite. So what is my point? It’s this: Why do we interview, profile and even listen to… reporters… in the first place? (This would not apply to the War dustup, of course.)
The opening quote is from Allen Pizzey. He’s a reporter. Yes, as Glenn says, he and the rest should just do his job. But evidently part of his job is to be interviewed by the guy who works at the next desk over, in this case CBS’s Brian Montopoli. Pizzey got an MBA from Sir George Williams University — uh, no, not exactly Harvard Business School — in Montreal. (This was in 1969, back when, the mainstream media tells us, all the people of principle were going wild in the streets.)
Thus we see that Pizzey has no special training in international affairs, military science, political science, or even police science, but he does have a lot of experience as a reporter. That experience, however — until recent times — was supposed to be capital that was drawn upon only for purposes of enhancing the credibility and enriching the quality of his reporting. Today, however, modern self-styled “professional” journalists, the self-described Fifth Estate and, yes, if you haven’t gotten the hint, Most Narcissistic Generation, consider it appropriate to turn reporters into “analysts” — plainly writing front-page opinion columns under the guise of “deep” news writing — or just plain interview subjects, i.e., “news’ themselves.
This phenomenon began with the evolution of “talking heads” programs from the basic format of old-time journy shows such as Meet the Press — where an actual personage or public figure met the press on a Sunday morning — to the shoutathons pioneered (to my recollection) by The McLaughlin Group Agronsky & Company, in which five or so columnists or reporters fairly distributed across the ideological spectrum gave competing opinions about fast-moving issues in the news. Though there was no “there” there, this format had the advantage of balance.
The novelty, however, of presenting the views of reporters as substantive news was profound. In the ensuing decades, we have seen a complete shift to the interviewing of reporters — originally an occasional colloquy between an anchorman and a field reporter — to the status of actual news and content.
Nowhere is this more intellectually dishonest, as a general rule, than on the sometimes amusing, but generally stomach-turning, Imus in the Morning program, where a former coke-sniffing, goofball Top 40 DJ has remade himself into a political sage and éminence grise in the Beltway by virtue of his early morning mutual sniffs with various Democrats in Congress, Clinton White House alumni plus the odd moderate Republican such as McCain or other anti-war maverick such as Patrick Buchanan — but mainly liberal news media personalities such as Tom Brokaw, David Gregory, Chris Matthews and Tim Russert, the last of whom Imus has elevated to the status of living saint of journalism. These are in some cases very thoughtful people, but Imus interviews them as if they were policymakers, experts or true insiders.
This concept of talking heads talking to talking heads has not only made a generation of preposterously pampered journalism (or, I suppose, business) school graduates into shapers of the message and would-be molders of policy and public discourse, but it has conveniently provided untold hours of news and information “content” to a media world largely watered down by expansion and always “on” whether or not anything is happening.
How marvelous it would be, however, if Tim Russert, Dan Rather, Allen Pizzey — and yes, Chris Wallace — would go back to being the reporter, not the interview subject. They could maintain the patina of journalistic objectivity, which of course is fraudulent but on which they still insist. Pizzey, after all, ended his interview by saying:
Now, no reporter is as objective as we’d like to be. Objectivity is a principle to which we strive to adhere, but we all have our own little biases – our upbringing, our personal political beliefs, whatever touches us in a human way. All of that affects our reporting. But I don’t think that we have a particular administration bias. I don’t care one way or another. I’m not even American. I just happen to work for Americans. I just do my job.
Which means nothing at all, but fine; if that is his job, let him do it, but must we hear about it as well as hear it? We would be better off if reporters reported on actual people doing actual things — perhaps not at the highest levels, because those people are hard to get when you’re doing news and information 24/7; but in fact the real news is not the prepared statements and lubricated spin of high-level politicians (and in this Pizzey was, of course, correct as it applies to the McCain visit to Baghdad). It is the doers, not the sayers.
And for that reason let the sayers go back to doing, especially when it comes to their own “takes” and “analyses.” The doing is the application of their expertise to find those real people making real news, to present real news cogently to the limit of their own version of objectivity, and to keep their frank opinions for the dinner table.
And the ones interviewing them in the first place? They should go back to celebrity journalism or, in the case of Don Imus, more stories about their adorable children and charitable works — or at least, in his case, interview his famous newsmaker friends, which sometimes pays off (and sometimes not) (UPDATE — and then some!) and not his famous news friends. They probably don’t really kick in big time to the ranch, anyway. Perhaps if politically influential entertainers such as Imus would ease out of these on-air luncheons we would see fwer journo-on-journo interviews — and maintain more reason to actually believe journalists when they really are trying to do their jobs.









April 6th, 2007 at 1:07 am
Well struck. I’ll add: I’ve been appalled at how bad journalism is for a long time. (As if I’m the only one) And it is getting worse. TV news is the worst. It is all crap. Anecdotal, ignorant crap. Every network uses the same format, and usually covers the same stories in the same order. And they usually, including FoxNews, get the same stuff wrong. Print is a little better, but not much. Full disclosure: I’ve been a journalist, part time, and freelance. Most journalists are only interested in writing a good story. A good lede, a good nutgraf. And if what they are reporting on doesn’t have an obvious narrative hook it is necessary to invent one. Even the best journalists do this.
I think blogs possess two main values: First they enable someone who cares about a story to fact check and give feedback in something close to real time. Second, it allows people with expertise in an area to call BS on stories written by people who don’t. Why is it that so many of the best blogs are written by lawyers? Because lawyers like to argue and a lot of media stories touch on legal issues and they are always wrong. My main complaint about Linda Greenhouse, for example, isn’t her politics its that she doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about.
I’ve been a military officer and I can tell you that the level of knowledge in the fourth estate about things military is also god awful. Maybe forgivable in peacetime, but after years of covering shooting wars it isn’t. That why milbloggers are important and, I believe, why they are so widely read.
Where blogs fall down is when do same things that caused us to turn away from the MSM in the first place. Like holding forth about things they don’t know anything about. Or, rushing to judgment on stories or quotes that are wrong or incomplete. Or indulging in endless pointless speculation. Or interviewing each other or themselves about their wonderful awesome bloginess. (Keep those stories about falling circulation among major dailies coming guys!)
Of course, I still read them anyway. I guess I’m a sucker.
April 6th, 2007 at 9:58 am
Well, I’d say not only do we like to argue, but we’re good at it, and we know how to focus on what the issue is, not what is surrounding it. That doesn’t mean our conclusions are right, or even our analysis, but the dialectical method does have its advantages.
Also most lawyers write good.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:50 am
I think the whole premise may relate to your idiot box post. Viewers see these personalities on their television, telling them what’s going on in the world. As a result, viewers come to see the news presenters as news authorities. Newscasters aren’t perceived as simply a person that reads the teleprompter without sounding robotic. They are perceived as knowledgeable.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
“Well, I’d say not only do we like to argue, but we’re good at it…”
Yes, I meant to imply some level of skill. And as to your last point: Some lawyers write more gooder than others.
FIAR writes: “As a result, viewers come to see the news presenters as news authorities.” Mebbe so. But I think the real problem is that the news presenters come to see themselves as news authorities.
April 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Well, Craig, you’re saying that the phenomenon Fitch describes is what makes it possible for these people to come across as authoritative. But you know what? So does just wearing a suit on TV.
April 6th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
I agree with everything that’s been said by everyone. And I agree with this: “So does just wearing a suit on TV.” With one tiny Dick Caveat, I can’t take seriously anyone whose shirt collar doesn’t fit them– if you’ve got a fat neck use that TV money to buy a shirt in a bigger neck size. I mean really, who wants to watch a hog being strangled?
I have no opinion on Atkins.
April 6th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
who wants to watch a hog being strangled?
Maybe I do. You got a problem with that?
April 7th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
The only reason the media liked McCain in 2000 is because the GOP candidate hadn’t been chosen yet. Had McCain become the nominee he would have become unacceptable immediately. In 2008 the media will tell us who the GOP should nominate again. Then they will back the Democrat.
One reason why the media increasingly consults itself is simple – follow the money.
It costs little or nothing to present the views of fellow media professionals. They are available, amiable, skilled at presentation, and unconcerned about what they say – having no responsibilty. In contrast a real expert may be busy, an appointment has to be made and there can be logistical expense. The real expert may want to know the parameters of the program and may insist on research before pontificating. He/she may even say something is unclear, unresolved, or cannot be known.
Put another way, real experts can be aggravating and perhaps even hold views the producer doesn’t care for.
Showtime!
April 7th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
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